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Poster: SundaramFirebird Date: Jul 12, 2007 1:05am
Forum: opensource_movies Subject: How do I know these movies are really uploaded by the copyright holder?

Hi
I want to use some of these movies that are labeled as Creative Commons attribution non derivation for instance - BUT - how do I know that they weren't uploaded by someone who did not own the copyright? How do I check? Does archive.org check at all? Why isn't this clearly explained somewhere?

Thanks for your help
Dan V

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Poster: Telephone Toughguy Date: Jul 13, 2007 8:53am
Forum: opensource_movies Subject: Re: How do I know these movies are really uploaded by the copyright holder?

search:
DVD4ARAB
DVD arab
WWE
WWF
bleach
harry potter
50 cent
celine dion... yeah celine dion, really
madonna ,etc

Or pick any new movie, song, operating system, cracked software, etc.

If they described the items properly you could verify. Creative commons and public domain licensed items are free to use with different requirments for crediting owners and whether or not you can use it commercially. In the HTTP link on the item the email of the uploader is in the meta data file, but emails are not verified so 56353adfae@hotmail.com is probably not going to answer.

The answer my friend is blowing on the wind...

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Poster: SundaramFirebird Date: Jul 13, 2007 7:47pm
Forum: opensource_movies Subject: Re: How do I know these movies are really uploaded by the copyright holder?

In reply to the reply above...
Yeeeaaaaah ... I think :-P
So you're saying that Creative Commons is just a system for confusing the issue of copyright even further than it was before?

The movie I want to use has no credits, and other than its name, no sign of who created it from mostly public domain clips. It is given away at various places on the web, so i guess I'll just give thanks to the unknown creators and for the benefit that sharing it can bring, run the risk of being sued by an irrate autor somewhere down the track.

Cool. So long as it makes the world a slightly more peaceful place - Im all for it.
DV

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Poster: ARossi Date: Jul 13, 2007 3:20pm
Forum: opensource_movies Subject: Re: How do I know these movies are really uploaded by the copyright holder?

Hi,

We ask people to only upload files that they have the rights to or that they know are public domain, and we recommend that people choose a creative commons license so that people will know how they may use the material.

Other than obvious violations (which we take down when we find them), we have no way of knowing whether something actually belongs to the person who uploaded it. I don't think any other site does either.

Alexis

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Poster: SundaramFirebird Date: Jul 15, 2007 5:17pm
Forum: opensource_movies Subject: Re: How do I know these movies are really uploaded by the copyright holder?

Thanks for your reply Alex.
It seems to me that the obvious solution to the problem would be to ask each person who uploads a movie to provide their contact details if they are listing it as available for use in any way.
People who were not bonafide would then not bother to pretend they were the copyright holders as they gain nothing from it anyway.
And those who DO own the copyright would be able to really make the materials available, which they are not doing at the moment since no-one knows if they can really use the material or not legally.

As it stands the listing of a Creative Commons license is meaningless and on confuses the issue.

Whenever there is an author listed - especially if it is in the actual film itself - then I am contacting them to ask permission and confirm the status of the film. When this is not possible I guess I just have to risk illegally using someones materials because someone else said I could :-(

I think this is an important issue for Archive.org. Its not a site like youtube that promotes anything goes and total disregard of copyright. It presents itself as making public domain and other free to use materials available.
Wouldn't it make sense to have some sort of minimal verification process such as the ability to contact the author? Or even better a voluntary confirmation of copyright ownership form, abuse of which would cancel ones account and get all of ones materials removed?

All the best
Dan V

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Poster: Telephone Toughguy Date: Jul 16, 2007 7:17am
Forum: opensource_movies Subject: Re: How do I know these movies are really uploaded by the copyright holder?

Unfortunately the people posting copyright stuff are probably not using real email addresses. Another problem is that this may be the only place a creative commons publisher uploads their stuff, therefore making it about impossible to prove any ownership. I believe in self governing systems (I know, call me an extremist), and think the users should police items like wikipedia, without the godlike powers to delete or revert an edit. Tag an item as copyright and let others judge for themselves, if it is indeed a copyright violation, take it down. Then there is the grey area of remixes, mashups, fair use doctrine. Technically using copyright music in your podcasts without paying royalties is illegal, but hardly enforcable. You would think this topic would attract more interest.